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- On Fri, 12 Jan 1996, Johan Klockars wrote:
-
- > If your news server has access to those groups, you can most likely send
- > articles there as well. I've done it twice myself.
- > Be aware, though, that they can get irritated if you try to use English
- > which I did the first time.
- > If you make a reasonable attempt at German you'll have no trouble.
-
- Well... My experiences show that they seem to tolerate bad German
- even less than English ;-) ... But it's good to include a couple
- of German words in your messages, no matter how silly that may be.
- It kind of shows them you respect their language, though you can't
- use it fully - or perhaps I'm the one who's silly here =) !
-
- Probably the latter is the truth, but who cares as long as I don't
- have to fight with upper memory / EMS -problems 8-) ..
-
- Aside the subject: as people discuss the possibility of using
- MiNTnet, I (once again ;-) have to yell my warnings: most people
- (so called "ordinary users") won't be able to set the thing up
- at all. A user-friendly, GEM-based installing system is sorely
- needed! Well, I fought the beast yesterday - tried to create
- a working setup for DuFTP. Didn't succeed =(
-
- MiNT -environment itself isn't impossible to install; neither
- is MinixFS. They are very different from things people do with
- their GEM-programs, but with patience and by reading the docs,
- something can normally be achieved.
-
- Trouble begins when you try to install a pure MiNT-system (shells,
- UN*X-tools, etc.) on a system tuned up for e.g. multitasking Geneva
- environment - like mine. 800x600x256 screen, NVDI, FX-accelerator,
- FastRAM, and stuff like that... Things get easily VERY nasty here!
- When you have tuned your system to perform optimally under GEM/
- whatever GEM-like, you have to de-install almost everything in
- order to get e.g. X-11 for MiNT working. Boy, what kinds of CRASHES
- I experienced yesterday...! Never before have I been forced to
- turn my Falcon off for a minute before new boot-up!
-
- Now, the problem is: Falcon is _above all_ a GEM-computer, no matter
- what else can be used in it. So, things like MiNTnet should never
- force us users to cripple our GEM-environment: GEM's the thing most
- people probably bought their Ataris for. Easy and nice to use.
- We really need tools for combining MiNT- and GEM-environments, I
- think. It's no use having two separate, only barely co-operating
- standards for Atari, when we could have e.g. a multitasking, net-
- working, user-friendly, shell-capable GEM-system.
-
- I found out the hard way yesterday, that it isn't possible to
- install SLIP-protocol (DIP-package) for MiNTnet without using
- a shell. And no shell I tried works in multitasking 800x600
- GEM environment... =( Well, that's my system. The idea of
- going back to ST-era: 640x400 mono, single-TOS in order to
- get some tools to work, doesn't really make me happy =(.
- Perhaps I should try Gemini shell..
-
- The feedback I mostly get from this subject, isn't friendly - I
- don't know, why. Maybe I've criticized the user-friendliness of
- MiNT-world too hard, and made people angry. But anyway, if we're
- going to have a Bad Mood, using e.g. MiNTnet sound- and network
- drivers, it would be nice if people could actually install and
- use it =) ...
-
- Tommi (sorry for long message..)
-
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